Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Sad discovery. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. SHAME ON THEM. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Jealousy was the motive. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Mr Steve J I dont even know its Christmas.. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. Prosecutor pounds away. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. She hadn't lived long enough.". Sorry not sorry. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Conflicting versions. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Trash-talking ex. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. I cant lose them, he told the media. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Nine. Weak wages. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Book her. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? How so? Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. And I have absolutely no sympathy. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. But none of those charges ever stuck. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Notify me of follow-up comments by email. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Its barely visible in the picture. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Then international law enforcement was contacted. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? But I suppose you havent a clue about that. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Its nine minutes into the video. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Have you read the book? Not everything is a conspiracy. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Incriminating words. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. She was wrongfully convicted.. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). According to Kohlhepp, the RTPD obtained Patricia Koptas DNA sample, then obtained one from her sister and a nephew. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. However, Said never called 911. Until next time, cheers. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. The state police dropped him as a suspect. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Phone records dont lie.) Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. They are total bs. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Nailed? I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. We lived close to one another. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Wow. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. This woman killed and is where she belongs! And Patricia wasnt all edges. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. That woman has no soul. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. And she called 911. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Liesbeth Powers/The I expect she will admit it one day. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? She is the one who tricked them, first by Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Search is on. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Yeah, no. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. False. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. The real killer is Rorrer! And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Claps! When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. I would have liked better her being put to death! Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion.